natalian archives 2004 12 12

Bangalore

4 comments

On the 9th of December I met with Debian developer Ganesan Rajagopal and aspiring DD Chirag Kantharia in a Bangalore cafe. Later we went to the “Coffee House” on M.G. Road, I recommend that place for a coffee and a Masala Dosa.

Months ago I was quite excited about the idea of a place-to-be silicon valley on my Eastern trip itinerary. After meeting some geeks in Islamabad I was not very optimistic. People were not familiar with Unix or any Web specs. All they seemed to “know” were their ripped-off high level tools like whatever crap M$ shoots out.

Of course I should not generalise, esp. after meeting Ganesan and Chirag and hearing that India is (unlike Pakistan) teaching about Linux at schools in India and even India’s rocket scientist President knows about it. :)

The main problem why there are only what… 3 Debian people in enormous India is because you need time to become a Unix pundit and a good network connection at home. Debian simply isn’t fun otherwise. I heard that Red Hat or Fedora has gained a lot of mind share by being distributed by a popular computer magazine.

So what is the makeup of the IT businesses here in Bangalore I asked Ganesan.
They are four categories, roughly ordered by amounts of people they employ:

  1. BPO companies that do services like payroll, call centres, stock research and transcriptions (e.g. medical notes from a dictation device)
  2. Huge software service companies like Infosys, WIPRO, Satyam and TCS
  3. Product development setups by foreign companies like Microsoft or Google
  4. India’s own private and public companies like Iflex and Talisman

My travelling companion applied and is being interviewed for a job in Bangalore with Aditi. I applied for a job with Google for a System Administrator, Intermediate Level job. Of course I was confident knowing I am a computer demi-god, but sadly I got the automated do-not-reply-to-this-email rejection email from Google saying my skills do not strongly match the position. Oh pleasie. :/

Ok, less personal crap. Let me try write down some more tit bits from what I learnt.

People view call centre jobs as respectable jobs. Although telesales is well… SPAM. Particularly painful when you have to pay for incoming calls!

Infrastructure in Bangalore is dissapointing. Traffic is a nightmare. You really need to live close to your work. The IT developments are just office buildings. Not usually entirely funded by government. I was told of substantial Singapore investment. They do not even provide UPS and Internet. These things typically need to be handled by each individual company there.

My peers seem to earn less than 1000 EUR (after tax) a month here. And that’s for the better jobs.

I met on the 10th of December two German employees of Siemens working in Bangalore at the very expensive F-bar (Spin club recommended instead).

Some interesting things:

I asked what the two Germans were earning. They said they were getting the same in Germany plus benefits like accomodation, a maid, a driver and car and more. I asked if they would work (like my friend and I are prepared to) for 1k EUR a month and they said no.

I’ll probably come back and edit this, as I am typing this up in a sweltering Internet cafe in Madras.

To conclude, from what I have seen, I don’t think I would personally invest in Indian IT unlike my parents did with textiles. My gut feeling right now is the jobs done here are the ugly inefficient “big company” jobs. I hate to sound pretentious about my expertise, but from what little (two days!) I have seen I think that the India IT industry is really far behind the cutting and creative edge I was looking for.

Reader if your home enviroment is cool, clean, quiet, using a stable machine, using Debian, IBM keyboard and a good fast stable Internet connection, you have the advantage. ;)

Comments

61.247.249.170

> Not usually entirely funded by government. I was told of substantial
> Singapore investment. They do not even provide UPS and Internet. These
> things typically need to be handled by each individual company there.

The government does not fund. It’s entirely private enterprise. However, the
government helps the industry a lot. For example, a tax holiday for IT
companies under the “Software Technology Park” programme. Companies also
enjoy other concessions under this programme, for example customs exemptions
to import required hardware from abroad.

As for Internet access, the only big carrier a few years back was a big
government run company (VSNL). But VSNL was privatised, telecom was opened up
for private participation and things are a lot better now. From a 64kbps
leased line for the whole company about 10 years back to 45Mbps range now
(that would be T3 in the US, I guess). Not heaven, but not hell either ;-).
The main role the government played in that is to open up the sector and step
aside. And that IMO, is a good thing :-).

Comment by Ganesan Rajagopal

207.7.108.235

[...] Looking over Planet Debian, I came across a post by Kai Hendry (maradns packager for Debian) detailing his thoughts about the state of the software industry in India, and I think considering his relatively short stay in Bangalore, his observations are spot-on. I’ve written about this before, but in particular: Infrastructure in Bangalore is dissapointing. Traffic is a nightmare. You really need to live close to your work. The IT developments are just office buildings. Not usually entirely funded by government. I was told of substantial Singapore investment. They do not even provide UPS and Internet. These things typically need to be handled by each individual company there. I think he meant “not unusually funded by government,” which isn’t strictly true—most of the foreign companies that open centers here are self-funded and don’t get a tax break unless they set up shop in one of the Software Export Promotion Parks (which are zones in and around the city designated for software companies to write software meant exclusively for export, in exchange for which they don’t need to spend so much on taxes—sort of like Dubai and its Jebel Ali Free Zone for manufacturing and shipping companies). The particular company I work for is in a SEPP. [...]
Comment by Memoirs In Free Fall » hendry gets it

125.131.161.40

Working link

http://amit.wordpress.com/2005/02/23/hendry-gets-it/

Comment by hendry

124.120.252.219

I found this blog through Google mate. I kind of liked the theme alot.
Are you a member of digitalpont by any chance ??

Comment by Yo Bangalore

Add a comment

Tags: